bawbag33
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Post by bawbag33 on Aug 1, 2006 11:59:57 GMT -5
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bawbag33
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Post by bawbag33 on Nov 3, 2006 13:39:01 GMT -5
Not always because you can forfeit a game whilst 20-0 up in the 9th, hence the rule that if you are the team in front when the other side forfeits and the game is official the score is kept as it is.
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Post by bawbag33 on Nov 2, 2006 5:57:37 GMT -5
the question about the forfiet was only half right. The score of a forfeited game is indded 9-0. One run for each inning.
Obviously, there are no stats awarded.
That is if the game is forfeited before the game starts or if the offending team is ahead. However, if a forfeited game is in progress, and the offended team is ahead, the score is retained. Also all stats count up to the point the game was played unless it was not a regulation game. This is specified in Rule 10.03e(2).
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Post by bawbag33 on Oct 27, 2006 3:13:29 GMT -5
Yeah I found a lot of conflicting info as well. However most of it was from unreliable sources. I would say though that baseball digest is very reputable and does very good and thorough research. I think perhaps why you can't verify it is because of the lack of statistical evidence. They are not an official stat and they aren't derived from anything else. Therefore the only real evidence we have before televised games are newspaper reports. having read the boys of summer (superb read) we know how accurate the newspaper reports were
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Post by bawbag33 on Oct 26, 2006 2:37:15 GMT -5
It disgarees with all the sites on the net I found such as www.waitkus.org/early_years.htm says the 1946 was the 1st in the ML Im not saying its wrong, but maybe not the best source, I tried verifying a sample from Vincents list and couldnt. Even Baseball almanac disagrees
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Post by bawbag33 on Oct 22, 2006 16:01:43 GMT -5
Charles "Pop" Smith committed 89 errors with only 27 RBI in 1889 while playing 2B for the Cincinnatti Reds.
There were some pretty good guesses-
Joe Sullivan of the 1893 National League's Washington Senators posted 102 errors & 64 RBIs. He played in 128 of the teams 129 games that season....and he played all 128 games at Shortstop.
Johnny Gochnauer - 1903, 98 Es, 48 RBIs
I think its worng, my answer gave Herman long, in 1889 he played over 90% of his teams game and scored only 60 RBIS whilst committing 123 errors - a gap of +63, more than 62 ofthe answer
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Post by bawbag33 on Jul 18, 2006 2:54:23 GMT -5
Episode II - Positional Players 1 - Wicket Keeper v Catcher
In Cricket you have a Wicket keeper, in Baseball a Catcher, both have similar jobs to do, in fact I would argue they are the positions bearing the best comparison between the sports.
Of course there are differences, a Wicketkeepers equipment consists of two knee high leg pads and two gloves and they do not call a game (however they will make the odd suggestions on the line and length, or type of bowl required if they spot a weakness) whereas a Catcher will have a catchers mitt, leg pads, a chest protector and a mask and can be put in the position where they will actually call the game for the pitcher.
Although both positions will start in a crouched position, the main difference between the two, is that the Wicketkeeper will take his stance dependant on the type of bowler. If a fast pace bowler is on, he will typically take his stance some way behind the wicket, where he judges the ball will have reached the apex of its bounce and will be starting to fall again, thus allowing for an easyish catch as the ball is losing a lot of momentum. This also allows for him the react and make a catch if the ball is edged, or is a loose delivery (pass ball) to stop extra runs scoring. If facing a spin bowler, then he is more likely to be in touching distance of the Wicket (or Stumps), as the ball is a lot slower and such a position allows him to stump (tag out) the batsman if he plays and misses.
The Catcher of course only has the one position, but like the Wicketkeeper, must be able to react to those balls that do not head where they are expected.
Of course both have there other duties to perform, in Cricket the Wicketkeeper is charged with covering the stumps at his end when a ball is hit, and must stand ready to receive a throw from the other fielders in the same way a Catcher will guard home plate (or 1st or 3rd base as required). He will also throw his gloves away (cant throw with them on) and chase a ball if the situation demands it in a similar way to the Catcher discarding his mask on a pop up.
Both positions tend to be steady batsmen with catchers tending to hit for power as they do not normally have good speed, whereas a Wicketkeeper is normally a middle order batsman so is expected to be able to make a decent score each innings.
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Post by bawbag33 on Jul 18, 2006 7:45:25 GMT -5
Unless of course you are an England Selector and make sure the Captain knows you must be at least 3,000 runs ahead before declaring
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Post by bawbag33 on Jul 18, 2006 2:53:24 GMT -5
Episode I - Cricket v Baseball - Lineups
In baseball of course, setting a line-up normally follows the following formula.
1st - a batter with a bit of patience and pace who will get on base 2nd - A batter with a decent eye, some pace whose job is to move the 1st batter along 3rd - 1st power man - ability to hit big flies 4th - main power man - his job is to drive in any of the previous three who are on base 5th - A good hitter with some power - Will hopefully clean up if the power man fails 6th - 8th between these position a manager will arrange his side dependant on the game, experience and ability 9th - in the NL the pitchers and weakest hitters spot, in the AL whoever is left
Of course in the AL a DH will appear instead of the pitcher, but they will normally appear at 3rd or 4th spot
In cricket, a line-up is also easy with specified jobs, the main difference being they have to operate a pair
1st - Specialised batsman (known as an Opener)- Has an ability to deal with the new ball (which is harder and quicker and tends to bounce more - the most difficult position) 2nd - Specialised batsman (known as an Opener)- Has an ability to deal with the new ball (which is harder and quicker and tends to bounce more - the most difficult position) 3rd -Specialised batsman (known as middle order batsman) Steady and can mount a high score 4th -Specialised batsman (known as middle order batsman) Steady and can mount a high score 5th - All Rounder (Can bowl and bat to a certain level - similar to The Babe) 6th - Wicketkeeper - Of course some WK’s are openers, there position depends on their ability 7th - Bowler the next three batters are played in order of ability, some bowlers are also decent batsmen, but normally they are not and once the Bowlers start batting this is know as “the tail” as in the tail of the line up. 8th - Bowler 9th - Bowler 10th - Bowler (worst batsman) - referred to as a tail ender and is similar to a pitcher batting, sometimes will score but most times will be out cheaply 11th - Bowler (worst batsman) - referred to as a tail ender and is similar to a pitcher batting, sometimes will score but most times will be out cheaply
Some Managers will have an extra specialist batsman in the line-up at the expense of a Bowler, but this will depend on the ground and the opposition and the type of game.
One major difference is that cricket players cannot be substituted as in baseball, there is one substitute player (the 12th man) who can take the field to cover from treatment to injuries, but they cannot bat or bowl merely field.
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Post by bawbag33 on Jun 29, 2006 0:12:31 GMT -5
Just a suggestion, but how about a "Rants" section, where contributors would be encouraged to write a rant (long or short) about any topic concerned with baseball, and then a poll to see if the opinion is agreed with or not.
I realise it may fit in locker room but it may cloud the other smaller threads and might be deserving of its own section. Maybe called the "bar room brawl", as thats where most rants from know alls end up being heard.
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Post by bawbag33 on Aug 3, 2006 4:24:29 GMT -5
I agree, I dont understand why teams run into dps, when the runner at 1st could simply sty put on a normal DP ball.
Now same set up but assuming the batter hits a ball to the second baseman, if he then throws to 1st who tags the base then the batter is out, but if the runner on 1st already sees that it will be a double play, then surely he can stay put and even though the 1st baseman has put out the batter with a force play, he is still safe on 1st.
If the 1st baseman waits for the batter to reach 1st, then the batter will be out for overtaking anyway and the runner on 1st is still safe.
Is this the case ?
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Post by bawbag33 on Aug 3, 2006 0:45:31 GMT -5
You have runners at first and second, one out.
The batter hits a weak roller up the 1st baseline to and with the infield playing shallow, the 1st baseman rushes in, tags the batter and fires to third (or second) for the force out and inning ending double play.
However he finds the runners at first and second have not moved, as the realised the batter would not reach first base, they held their positions and are called safe!
Or are they ?
Is there a rule that the runner from 1st must advance on any hit ? I know that if on baserunner passes another then the overtaking baserunner is out, but I can find nothing to say a runner on a base must try to advance when the ball is put in play.
If this is the case, why dont MLB sides drill runners on 1st not to move when a weak DP ball is hit, and simply allow the batter to be out by overtaking on the basepaths ?
Please help out this is driving me mad
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Post by bawbag33 on Jun 27, 2006 10:57:42 GMT -5
A brief history of UK baseball
by Patrick Morley
Organised baseball came to Britain in 1890. That year saw the founding of the National Baseball League of Great Britain and Ireland. Four teams were involved: all in England, despite the League's grand title, and all with close links to association football clubs: Derby County, Preston North End, Aston Villa and Stoke City.
One of the leading figures in the setting up of the League was Mr (later Sir) Francis Ley, a Derby industrialist who had become interested in the game on business trips to the United States. Also heavily involved was the American sporting goods magnate and former baseball star AG Spalding, who had hopes of expanding his already thriving business by selling baseball not only to Britain but the whole British Empire.
That first season ended in a certain amount of acrimony with Derby withdrawing, after having won enough games to be assured of the championship, because of protests about the number of experienced American players it was using. Nevertheless, the attendance figures were regarded as thoroughly satisfactory, with crowds as good as those who watched the average minor league clubs in the States.
From then on the game spread, with more clubs joining in. Baseball flourished particularly in the north-east with clubs in Middlesbrough, Darlington, Stockton and Thornaby. By 1899, the Spalding Baseball Guide felt confident enough to write that the game looked set for a bright future in Britain. But it was not to be and although organised baseball continued, on and off, with a baseball trophy being competed for annually between the years 1906 and 1911, gradually the public's interest waned and newspaper coverage was usually poor and uninformed. The bright future that had been forecast for the game never materialised.
Ballplayers in the Yorkshire League.
The years leading up to World War II saw another revival of baseball, mostly in the north of England and again thanks to a business magnate, Sir John Moores of the Littlewood Pools firm. His financial backing led to the founding in 1933 of a National Baseball Association and professional leagues were formed in Lancashire and Yorkshire. The first professional games got under way in 1936, with the Yorkshire League made up of sides from Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield, Hull, Dewsbury, Wakefield and Scarborough. Games regularly attracted 5,000 spectators - and, on occasion, as many as 10,000 - during a period of high unemployment with jobless men looking for ways of passing their time. Along with the professional game came a parallel development of amateur sides, and before long the sport was introduced to schools in the region. Baseball was heralded - once again - as the new growth sport. But it all came to a halt with the outbreak of war in 1939.
The war saw Britain invaded by a million and a half American servicemen and once more baseball was widely seen over here. Several exhibition games at Wembley Stadium attracted large crowds and the Baseball Ground in Derby once again resounded to the crack of the bat as two US service sides played the game that gave the ground its name. After the war, a baseball cup competition was revived in 1948 and continued, with gaps, in the years that followed. Ultimately the British Baseball Federation came into being and now organises a variety of amateur leagues up and down the country. With baseball now screened regularly on television, once again the future of the game in Britain seems to have taken an upward turn...
Patrick Morley is the Chairman of the British Baseball Historical Committee.
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Post by bawbag33 on Jun 27, 2006 10:45:14 GMT -5
gotta go to Mo !
besides, is there anything more likley to make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, than those opening chords of metallica before Mo makes his appearance.
You can see batter phyically cringe and Torre goes out to make the change and call for his closer.
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bawbag33
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Post by bawbag33 on Jun 27, 2006 10:41:14 GMT -5
My favourite player ever is David "Boomer" Wells, such an athletic build and liking for beer and decent music makes him a must.
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