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AL MVP
Sept 28, 2006 5:26:42 GMT -5
Post by tomservo on Sept 28, 2006 5:26:42 GMT -5
I'm liking Ortiz, Jeter, Hafner, and Morneau.
I don't think Ortiz will win it. Not as a DH, not after Boston dropped the ball in the second half. Jeter is having a good season, and very well may win it, but how about morneau? This guy exploded this year (to the chagrin of fantasy owners smart enough to draft him...read:me) and the twins are in the playoffs. Does he have a shot? What do you think?
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AL MVP
Sept 28, 2006 18:08:52 GMT -5
Post by nyjyrk on Sept 28, 2006 18:08:52 GMT -5
My top choices are Jeter, Morneau, Mauer, Ortiz, and Frank Thomas in that order.
- Jeter Carried the team through all of the injuries. He's been consistent all year, and with said injuries, the team took on his personality and style of play. Kept focused through the whole A-Rod debacle. He plays a gold glove caliber shortstop.Bob Ryan (Boston columnist)said that he may get the award as a "lifetime achievement" type of thing. It's his best year since '99, and he's a legitimate contender in stats. What might hurt him is the fact that the Yankees took over first place after the trade for Abreu and Cano returned. Also the fact that he plays among many all-stars.
- Morneau. He's having a monster year, and he's not that far behind Ortiz in run production. The Twins are a playoff team, and he's the best player. May split voted with his own teammate (see below)
- Mauer. He's a very good defensive catcher, and could be the first AL catcher to win a batting title. He's been credited with handling a very good pitching staff (an often overlooked quality), and has been very consistant offensively. May spilt votes with his own teammate (see above)
- Ortiz Offensively he is having another monster year, and gets alot of publicity with his late inning heroics. However, his overall batting average RISP is not that impressive. He's a DH. No DH will ever, nor should ever, win an MVP. He's also playing on a team that's been out of contention since August, and is in danger of finishing 3rd in the division.
- Thomas. He's doing well enough for consideration being on a playoff team. He's not surrounded by allstars like other, but he's not dominating in any stat catgory. Also he's a DH.
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AL MVP
Sept 28, 2006 19:15:13 GMT -5
Post by basenoc on Sept 28, 2006 19:15:13 GMT -5
yeah, what he said with jermaine dye behind mauer ;D
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AL MVP
Sept 28, 2006 19:33:24 GMT -5
Post by tomservo on Sept 28, 2006 19:33:24 GMT -5
So would Ortiz be more vaulable if he played at first everyday?
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AL MVP
Sept 28, 2006 21:24:15 GMT -5
Post by nyjyrk on Sept 28, 2006 21:24:15 GMT -5
So would Ortiz be more vaulable if he played at first everyday? Yes and no. If he played first everyday WELL, yes. If he's a defensive liability, no. I think a DH's stats are skewed due to the fact that the only thing they concentrait on is hitting. Most go into the clubhouse and hit in the cages while the team is playing the field. They don't have to go to bat thinking about an error or a play they almost made. I think a SS hitting .300 with 20 HRs and 80 RBi who plays well in the field is more valuable to a team winning than a DH who hits .280 with 50 HRs and 140 RBI. Did they save any runs from scoring? Did they stop a big inning by plugging the hole? ....of course I hate the DH rule as a whole as well.
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AL MVP
Sept 29, 2006 2:51:52 GMT -5
Post by tomservo on Sept 29, 2006 2:51:52 GMT -5
I know you hate the DH but I don't think that they go into the clubhouse and hit while their team is in the field. I've never seen or heard of this.
I understand your objection, and I can't say I'm a big fan of the DH in general, but being that it is a longtime rule in baseball, I think they should be eligible for MVP awards. Especially when they prove to be one of the best hitters in the AL.
I guess my point is as far as MVP goes, Ortiz wouldn't be any more valuable if he were to play first base everyday. In fact he'd probably be a liability. So why should he be penalized for doing what he does best?
This is not to say that he should far and away be the MVP. I'm just stating that perhaps he is more worthy than you feel he is.
But again, I know we disagree on the simple definition of MVP. And even though I wouldn't vote for Ortiz this year for MVP, I think you underrate him.
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AL MVP
Sept 29, 2006 19:18:59 GMT -5
Post by nyjyrk on Sept 29, 2006 19:18:59 GMT -5
This is why they need to put morte emphasis on the Hank Aaron award (Or make one for each league) that rewards the best HITTER. That should make it easier for voters to come up with more defined criteria for the MVP. Ortiz would get my vote for the Hank Aaron award for this season, as well as last.
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AL MVP
Sept 30, 2006 11:33:59 GMT -5
Post by basenoc on Sept 30, 2006 11:33:59 GMT -5
This is why they need to put morte emphasis on the Hank Aaron award (Or make one for each league) that rewards the best HITTER. That should make it easier for voters to come up with more defined criteria for the MVP. Ortiz would get my vote for the Hank Aaron award for this season, as well as last. isn't that the batting champion and/or homerun champ
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